It's one thing not to believe in God anymore but it's quite another thing if you say you don't believe the GB are who they say they are. Someone who doesn't believe in God is simply an unbeliever and is to be pitied, but someone who doesn't believe in the Governing Body, would be considered an object of fear and would be considered "worse than an unbeliever" even though that term was applied in the bible at 1 Timothy 5:8 to a completely different circumstance.
Pete Zahut
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What would be most likely...
by The freewheeling inwhat statement to the elders would get you disfelloshipped fastest?
saying.... a) that you don't believe in god anymore.
or saying ... b) that you don't believe that the governing body is god's canal and mouthpiece anymore.. what opinion is most serious in there eyes?
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1975 and My First Art Job (A weird memory)
by TerryWalstrom inmy first art job 1975 (a weird memory).
______ as a jw who woke up, i knew i had to leave texas and take my family with me or i'd be stuck in janitor jobs the rest of my natural life.
we drove in 1974 from texas to los angeles and my purpose was to get employment as an artist.
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Pete Zahut
Today, looking back through time, I'm struck by the number of cultists under one roof!
Weird memory. That's why I shared it with you.
Perhaps creative and artistic people tend to be a little bit "out there" and maybe they are more open to religious ideas that stretch the imagination .
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Watchtower Films
by vienne inprobably everyone here knows something about the photo drama of creation.
but i wonder how many know anything about other early watch tower films.. https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.
if anyone knows where we can find the cedar point films, please let me know.
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Pete Zahut
They used to show this Watchtower film at the Sunday meeting at least once a year during the 60's and 70's
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What would Watchtower be like now with out the 1975 fiasco.
by joe134cd inno doubt this has been discussed before, but if the 1975 event had never happened where would watchtower be now.
comments please..
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Pete Zahut
Their credibility would be in better shape and their faces wouldn't be as red.
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Will Watchtower target the inactive?
by ToesUp inif watchtower has no reason to df ones.
they have just become inactive.
do you all think wt will begin a witch hunt (df'ing) for these inactive ones?
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Pete Zahut
As the organization declines over time, desperation might make their rule harsher as they attempt to cling to the reins, and they might.
It seems to me that if the organization was truly in decline, they'd lighten up on the reins in order to lure once contributing member$, back into the fold.
If anything, I see a future where they realize that their harshness isn't being tolerated by the general rank and file who, because of the Internet, are beginning to see them for what they are.
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Once you've proved the truth to yourself you don't need to keep trying to disprove it...
by cognisonance ini was told this during my judicial committee (some five years ago) when i brought up concerns i had with the "truth.
" in addition one of the elders (who was an engineer) said once you've accepted a proof of pythagorus' theorem you don't later start doubting that theorem.
i thought that argument was a weak analogy then.
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Pete Zahut
Once you've proved that the truth is the truth, why do you have to keep going to those damn meetings for the rest of your life?
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My Father has brandished me with the "APOSTATE" word for talking about the BIBLE!
by stuckinarut2 inso after three years of fading, my elder father has never really asked why we have chosen to stop attending.. today, after a mixed discussion, he starts talking about the "solution to all the world problems" and says "i don't know what you now believe, but i believe gods kingdom will fix everything" i let the comment go, and didn't respond.. then he goes on about the video "remember the wife of lot" because he just came from the convention last weekend.
"don't get caught up in this system...blah blah".
i couldn't help myself, and said one thing "dad, that video failed to show the next chapter of that account.
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Pete Zahut
I couldn't help myself, and said one thing "Dad, that video failed to show the next chapter of that account. It didn't show anything about how Lot, a "righteous man" had sex with his two virgin daughters! How odd? Wonder why that awkward part was neglected?"
Don't be like Lot's wife...linstead, let's all be like Lot who's life was spared.
You: So Dad....what ever happened to the children that Lot fathered by his two daughters. How was it for them growing up having to explain to everyone that their grandfather was also their father. What happened to the two daughters who were unwed mothers in a time and place where such a thing was the woman's fault. Did they ever find husbands willing to face that stigma and take on their inbred children?
He responded by shutting down the conversation and saying "your apostasy has clearly gone too far. I will NOT allow you to subvert my faith! This conversation is over!"
How come you find it faith strengthening to hear the first part of the story but thinking about the rest of the story might be enough to subvert your faith?
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My Mothers Ultimate Rejection
by What Now? ini went into my mother's office to leave her a small note to say that we love and miss her and would love to get together.
i found this on her desk.
this is jehovah's witnesses.
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Pete Zahut
A few things seem rather odd about this Will that make me think she may have wanted you to encounter it :
- Why would she leave her will lying on her desk for you or anyone to see? It seems to me a kind person would realize that it would be upsetting for a family member (you) to encounter such a document, prior to their loved ones death. I think she intentionally wanted to send a hurtful message to someone, while she is still alive and could be around for the drama it might cause.
- She said she was to be transported to the Crematorium and rather than simply giving instructions as to the disposal of her ashes, she said "After I've been burned ,I want my ashes....." It seems like she is playing up the grizzly part of this procedure, hoping to garner more pity for herself from the reader and play it up for the sake of drama.
- The repeated use of the term " My two daughters " rather than simply writing their two names down, seems as if she is deliberately trying to let you know she doesn't view you as a daughter anymore. More pity and drama.
- "My ashes are to be picked up by my husband . If he doesn't want to, my two girls can pick them up and dispose of them as they see fit". This seems as if she's saying "poor me... even when I've been creamated my own husband might not want to be bothered to dispose of my ashes. I suppose my 2 girls can do it and they can just do whatever they want with them...toss me in the trash for all I care. Again....more self pity and drama.
- "Only my family related to me in the faith, Jehovah's Witnesses. No Worldly Family". Again she is trying to be hurtful to a specific individual or individuals by using terms that would intentionally exclude you/them. Why not just mention by name, the family members she wants there rather than making sure it's known that she doesn't want them than specifically because they aren't JW's ? Answer: Because she is pitying herself and wants you the reader and any other non JW relative to suffer for having caused her so much distress.
If my suspicions are correct, she truly is someone to be pitied rather than to be hurt by or angry at.
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My Mothers Ultimate Rejection
by What Now? ini went into my mother's office to leave her a small note to say that we love and miss her and would love to get together.
i found this on her desk.
this is jehovah's witnesses.
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Pete Zahut
It seems to me that anyone reading this after she's gone, will realize how coldblooded this Will is. Not a very nice thing to leave behind as ones last message to the world. In the end, by her own words, she will demonstrate what kind of persons she was and you will be vindicated.
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The Great Pyramid and the Flood of Noah
by TerryWalstrom inthe great pyramid and the flood of noah.
_________________________________if your world view rests firmly upon the foundation of bible accuracy matching the reality of history, sooner or later you’ll crash into the question of when the great pyramid was built.why?let’s see why…2 peter 3:5-6 complete jewish bible (cjb).
5 but, wanting so much to be right about this, they overlook the fact that it was by god’s word that long ago there were heavens, and there was land which arose out of water and existed between the waters, 6 and that by means of these things the world of that time was flooded with water and destroyed.________________________________________________.
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Pete Zahut
The dinosaur was in the early versions of My Book of Bible Stories and was omitted in later editions.
Since the Watchtower Society believes that mankind has only been on the earth around 6,000 years or so, I'm surprised they didn't omit the Woolly Mammoths from the illustration as well because (except for a small group of them that lived in the arctic until 4,000 years ago) I think the rest died out somewhere between 10,000 and 11,000 years ago. Then again, they also believe the arctic didn't exist before the flood so why the need for the woolly coat.
As long as they continue to teach that the flood was a literal event, I'll know they aren't the true religion.